Curse

Silverblad3 · Jul 01, 2011, 12:19 AM // 00:19

If the devs/live team know about the snowball gvg bots then they should do something about it. Over 100 teams participate (800 players) to some degree. About 40 (320 players) teams actually play, of those typically in the two groups 14-18 teams actively use the pick up and dodge bots (about a hundred players). This is not over exaggerated, several times players have been asked when they are being guested if they use the bots so they could be allowed to play in their team. When you play you see it as well that they are, the openly admitt to using them and start to troll a non-cheating team. So bad.

So about 30% of the people who are playing snowball GvG are cheating at the expense of genuine players. They make like I said between 7-20 million gold in z keys. If anyone on the test krewe did snowball GvG they would know and see it. It is not something that as a developer I would like to see happening. If they cannot deal with it, simply remove the format. Cheaters should not be rewarded and they are being rewarded. I say this when I made about 3.5 million gold in zkeys without having to use these cheats (I played in nearly every single Snowball GvG except maybe 4). It hurts me as well if they remove the format.

In any event, cheating should not be allowed. So I do not see why the 'reduced' rewards of CB has more precedence over the cheats in Snowball GvG of millions of gold rewards? The priority is totally wrong, especially when Snowball GvG runs for nearly 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Just because the points from consecutives has been removed doesn't mean there isn't an incentive to sync. There are two things that haven't been addressed: the ability for syncers to essentially choose teammates of similar, high caliber, which is who they would prefer to play with, and the ability for these kinds of teams to score more rewards than a randomly selected team, due to the differences in average skill level.

I agree with you even though the main incentive to sync has gone (it can and does remain), and the randomised teams have totally killed it off.

Though I think the propsed system would work (no syncs), if after the first or second consecutive win of randomiation the team remains the same. This is probably the best option unless they can introduce a full single bucket of players where they are shuffled and then thrown in.

I cannot see them introducing a PSR system, too much work for them.

I just want to play devils advocate here, hear me out. Syncs use to exist before the changes last year, I played against these syncs and beat them, not only did we beat them, they were beaten repeatedly. One random team I was on, had 68 straight wins, and we played against many syncs teams (you know the guilds and players in the asian and chineese districts).

These highly skilled players are not that great, all they have done is actually learned to play the format. Anyone else who comes along and knows how to play can beat them. They rely on the fact that they think they are good by syncing and yet they fail. The main reason we won, was great team play with random players. These folks think they are good as individuals failed, and failed big time as a team.

Either way what is better? Syncs or shite players? If I am truthful, I prefer playing in a random team against syncs because it is a challenge and laugh at them when they lose. Ideally it should never happen and it is good to see Anet trying to do something about it, but they made the format really shit for all the 'regulars' (not casuals) who do not sync.

Anyway, anything that can improve upon the current CB method will help bring back the skill, tactics and I hope it will be as fun with balanced bars.

Silver

coil · Jul 02, 2011, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Silverblad3

All you are saying is let the bad players be bad and segregate good players from bad players. That does not help anyone and only helps to further the divide of PvErs and PvPrs.

Silver

no, i'm saying qq and add an aT. but going off what you stated, it totally didnt work for snowballs did it? bad players play 4v4, good players play aT. its not segregating, its catering to all.

gl with your endeavor anyways

Lanier · Jul 02, 2011, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Silverblad3

Changing the way teams are formed randomly and perhaps stay together after 'x' rounds wont make you play the format seriously no matter what. You have decided that already, so you will play it casually, like the majority of PvErs who do play it casually. They still played it casually before the change and after the change, some just got better at it, to lesser degrees.

If you are one of the ones who runs around in a mob and just wants to kill stuff, that is up to you. Just as it is up to me to leave the team or take it as casually as the next person and just spam my skills, go 1v1 in CB or run around aimlessly. Just as it is up to you to leave the team if you think they are taking it too seriously.

Anyone who says, 'Go do something else', forgets this is a multiplayer game, where formats needs players, some formats are too 'serious' and others too much hassle to deal with. Effectively what you are saying is, 'let Anet carebear us PvErs, because we are bad, we want to stay bad, we do not want to improve our playing ability and we dont want to share anything with those dastardly PvPrs'. Sounds rather childish to me (and yes I have generalised a lot there, lots of PvErs are good at CB, you just see them farming PvE instead).

I am going to throw one thing back at you, typically I believe events, formats and activities should be inclusive rather than exclusive, cater to all. But it seems here the 'intelligent' option is to say 'Go do somethinge else'. Well how about you go and play some casual formats instead? There are plenty. That way the pool of CB players decrease and we have increased waiting times for games? Right? That makes perfect sense...........Lets get rid of people who want to play the format.........

Seriously........

Silver

This may be from 2 pages back but I feel inclined to respond to it anyway, since i didn't get on guru yesterday.

Huh?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
1. I was not trying to exclude anyone, I was trying to state a "cater to all" opinion, were people of every playstyle would have a chance to PvP.
2. While I play PvP because I think its fun, I also play to win.
3. Don't generalize. It makes you look stupid when your generalizations don't hold true. For example, you say that PvEers that have already decided to play casually will play casually no matter what. I play low-end PvP pretty casually but I also like to play competitive GvG from time to time.
4. Don't think you can put words in my mouth. You tried in this post, and you obviously failed.
5. There is nothing wrong with suggesting other formats of play for various people. It is obvious that not everyone enjoys every type of format and thats ok. I didn't think that the really competitive players enjoyed the current CB format, so I was suggesting they try a more competitive format. Is that such a big problem?

In summary, try to avoid generalizations in the future. Also remember that it is helpful to ask questions before stating facts, so as to avoid mis-stating facts. For example, you say that I always play casually, and this is not the case. While I usually play casually, I also sometimes play competitively and in competitive formats. Next time, you should probably ask before making assumptions. Hope this helps when you decide to write your next post.

Silverblad3 · Jul 03, 2011, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Huh?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
1. I was not trying to exclude anyone, I was trying to state a "cater to all" opinion, were people of every playstyle would have a chance to PvP.
2. While I play PvP because I think its fun, I also play to win.
3. Don't generalize. It makes you look stupid when your generalizations don't hold true. For example, you say that PvEers that have already decided to play casually will play casually no matter what. I play low-end PvP pretty casually but I also like to play competitive GvG from time to time.
4. Don't think you can put words in my mouth. You tried in this post, and you obviously failed.
5. There is nothing wrong with suggesting other formats of play for various people. It is obvious that not everyone enjoys every type of format and thats ok. I didn't think that the really competitive players enjoyed the current CB format, so I was suggesting they try a more competitive format. Is that such a big problem?

In summary, try to avoid generalizations in the future. Also remember that it is helpful to ask questions before stating facts, so as to avoid mis-stating facts. For example, you say that I always play casually, and this is not the case. While I usually play casually, I also sometimes play competitively and in competitive formats. Next time, you should probably ask before making assumptions. Hope this helps when you decide to write your next post.

You made a short post, which left it open to interpretation. Which clearly to me was saying go play serious pvp instead. Its not a cater for all, as I and several others have expressed do not like the organising team side of more serious formats, and the abuse that takes place with such formats like the bots in snowball gvg, poor metas etc.

In future you should explain what you mean instead of making general points and then having a go at someone who actually says 'I know I am generalising', stating the obvious makes you look stupid.

Now that we have got over the silly and childish name calling. I have no issue with your suggestions and reiterated why they may not work for many of the regular players of CB (not the casuals). If you think it was about shoving words in your mouth, then your mistaken, it was illustrating why there is a need for both types of players to exist in the one format, because overall the more people playing helps keep the format healthy instead of dead.

When I play I am very competitive, that does not mean I want serious organised formats though for CB. I am sure we both agree that there are many different types of players. The point still remains, whilst you may not try to exclude people by offering a serious format, you have done so as I have said, I do not like the serious format option and would do nothing for some players, so it is not catering to all as you would seem to believe. Maybe you should take your own advice and avoid generalisations when you make posts in the future.

Silver

jiggles · Jul 03, 2011, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

Then there's the argument that CB is a festival game and that festival games are for pve'ers only since the pvp'ers have fun all year round in pvp. Fair enough.

Then they need to give us ways of maxing the gamer title without events.

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 04, 2011, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I just realised we went over this exact same argument last year. Same applies now, so hopefully anet saves the format in due time this year. After all they fixed ab by adding shady luxons and suspicious kurzicks, thanks for that implementation btw.